Poppin' on the scene with skills to pay the bills, Emperous showed the Freedom Force community he meant business when he started skinning the Frank Quietly costume designs for the X-Men. Drawing inspiration from Quietly's style as well as the style of other artist he skinned and skoped Emma Frost, Jean Grey, Xorn, Wolverine, and Cyclops. Vowing to finish off the team with Beast, Emperous faded into the ether as quickly as he emerged from it. After contacting him several times, he revealed to me not only his plan to finish up Beast and finally releasing his New X-Men skins, but who he really is - Emperous is...____________
THAT is the big announcement?! Who cares if AA can't decide whether to stay retired or not. I knew he couldn't go without getting the praise he gets at FR, which is why he came back, I'm sure. I can't stand his skins. He makes the characters' eyes small and beady, like his own.
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Dude! You got it all wrong - er, well, except the part about the eyes on his skins, that is. But, AA didn't cut his "retirement" short because he can't live without the praise, it's because (according to the threads at FR) he wants to be able to control and have a say on what kind of content (not just his own, but everyone elses, too) is released on FR.
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ReplyDeleteYes, it couldn't POSSIBLY have been that he retired because a friend, someone he'd stood up for PUBLICLY, stabbed him in the back by trying to destroy Freedom Reborn out of pure spite. It couldn't POSSIBLY be that once the shock of the steaming pile of sh-- IPS threw on the entire community wore off, he was able to regain his artistic inspiration.
ReplyDeleteYeah, I still remember IPS when I signed on to FR a few years ago. Who could forget the forum bully who basically drove others, mainly newbies like me at the time, away while everyone else stood around and let him do it. I wasn't the only one he offended in one way or another and inspired to leave FR. WHy hang around when he is so rude and everyone else supports him? When I come back I see what has happened and that he got banned for his behaviour and I think this is good and FR has come to it's senses. But when I read more and see that AA supported IPS - just like I was seeing before - even though he didn't support his view on the DCUG, he supported his "friend". When most friends would tell their friend "Hey, you're wrong on this, let it go." AA provided IPS more reason to fight and make more of a mess than he should of. Now, after IPS is gone, people are now supporting those that supported IPS and encouraged him to make the mess he did. History does repeat itself.
ReplyDeleteC6 is cool. C6 did not support IPS. C6 did not decide to create another forum with IPS as the host. When IPS was banned, C6 would have found another host rather than go ahead and post a new forum with IPS as the host the day after IPS was banned.
I was hoping to have another forum, one that IPS wasn't a part of. But now he's taken even that away because those that wanted to create that new forum are the ones that supported IPS and IPS screwed everyone and now their forum is tainted. IPS ruined everything, but he had help.
The craziest part is the "shock" coming from AA of being stabbed in the back by a jerk. I mean, what would you expect coming from a jerk?! Wouldn't you think that if people wouldn't make friends with jerks, there would be a whole lot less jerks? Its common sense. AA and others even acknowledged that "IPS has an 'abrasive' personality". Why did IPS last so long at FR? Maybe due to the support he got from Those That Create Content.
ReplyDeleteFirst, I'd like Jason aka El Tio del Mono to know I value his opinion and if my skins are not to your liking you don't have to use them.
ReplyDeleteSecond, who cares if I came out of retirement or not. At the time I really did not want to skin another mesh/skope or whatever again. Things I enjoyed was tainted and it was also at a time when I need to focus more on my personal life anyway.
Third, I've forgive IPS even though we haven't spoken since the whole dramatic fight at FR. If he ever reads this I'd like him to know I don't think you are a bad guy, I just think you handled the situation wrong.
You know, IPS had support for his points, a lot of people were concerned about the implications of my little project. I happen to believe, and I think that most of them eventually came to agree with me, that those fears were unfounded, or at least greatly exaggerated.
ReplyDeleteAA may have supported those concerns, but neither he, nor anyone else, contributed in any real way to the absolutely terrible way IPS approached the problem. To cripple me, all AA had to do was ask me to remove his content. I would have lost a far from insignificant portion of skins included in the DCUG. He did not do this. I am forever grateful to him for his tacit support in that moment of tribulation.
Yes, he did play devil's advocate (an interesting choice of words, I know) on behalf of IPS, and yes the founding of the alternate forum was certainly an exercise in bad timing. Still, we have all made mistakes, and I know that my judgment has not always been perfect. I absolutely believe that AA and the rest of those involved in the other forum had the best of intentions, and I do not hold it against them. The forum itself was not a bad idea, but obviously their choice of host and timing was a mistake, though an honest one.
If I can smile and shake hands with AA, and "forgive" the fact that he trusted and respected someone who was not worthy of either, than everyone else should be able to do so with ease. Have you never trusted someone you regarded as a friend, only to have that person betray you? If not, then you are lucky, because that is an experience all too common in our race. Friendship can blind us to another's faults, and hindsight is always painfully clear. I am the ONLY one who could claim to have been hurt by AA's actions, and I make no such claim. It is past time that we leave that ugly situation behind us and get to back to enjoying the game that brought us together in the first place.
Sober Shiva! I am standing here beside myself! AA thinks that IPS is not a bad guy! Yes this is a berry interesting statement. History is again repeating itself. Now we will soon see IPS coming back being welcomed with open arms by everyone at FR. All because you are a skinner you can get away with anything. Like Vlad Putin keeps coming back even though he was banned as many times as Shiva has arms. If not a skinner, then you will not be having a say much about things. If you say something a skinner do not like, all the skinner has to say is "I don't like what is being said here, I will be leaving this place if it will not be stopping". And everyone is saying "Shut up your face! They will leave! Shhh!" Is there being other Super Hero FF forum not under elite Pushtu skinner control?
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ReplyDeleteWhat ever happened to the DCUG? What ever happened to the Rules For Releasing Stuff at FR? It would seem that even thoug IPS is gone, things still aren't fixed. And yet people are saying this is picking old wounds and it's months-old drama. That sure is an interesting statement by AA forgiving IPS and saying he isn't a bad guy. If Vlad keeps coming back and he was allowed, who's to say IPS won't do the same. And it looks like he'll be welcomed back at least by AA and since everyone else supports AA, well... as my faithful disciple said "History is again repeating itself".
ReplyDeleteAnd Benton acts like he's the only one that got offended by the IPS War. That seems pretty self-centered. Yeah, it started with the DCUG, but it escalated into being a fight for the future of the FF community and all future releases, not to mention if we should allow a select few determine who can post what and have avatars that can offend the entire community, not just you. Alot of people argued and said hurtful things to others, so no Benton, just because you decided to throw in the towel and give in to the demands of the minority and not release the DCUG and then shake hands, doesn't mean others who were offended should do the same. And, no, I pick my friends carefully. I haven't one friends stab me in the back, and if they did, they wouldn't be forgiven for taking advantage of that friendship.
I apologize that my ability to move pass this situation is bothering you two (who I suspect is one based on the time stamp) but I don't see the point of holding malice in my heart towards IPS.
ReplyDeleteSo have fun going on about how awful IPS was and how I'm accepting him back in the fold, when the truth is forgiving someone doesn't mean you have an interest in pursuing friends with them, it just means you don't want to be enemies.
I'd like to ask no one else to respond anymore, because this has gotten boorish and futile and they aren't going to see anything but anti-AA stupidity.
ReplyDeleteI just wanted to ask one thing, as one final effort to make you see past your own noses: I actually came back and started working on content BECAUSE of what IPS tried to do to the community. I felt so angered by his attempt to ruin the community that I have been a part of for probably much much longer then you have, that I started making new content, including meshes, skins, FX, and even a voice pack. Had it not been for IPS, I probably wouldn't have returned at all, the stench of the whole DCUA idiocy being so pervasive.
So in a very weird way, members like Figure Fan, Alaric, Yellow Lantern, and even Bearded all owe IPS for the avatar skins and avatar designs I've done since coming back. as will everyone else I intend to do skins for which, believe you me, is a fairly long list of members. So if they like these skins, given the fact that IPS' actions were what made them possible, are they supporters of IPS then to?
No. Dumb Tomato Logic does not work. This is not a berry good example. Use Gonja Logic. Gonja God Shiva will answer all of your questions. Shiva says for me to tell you to go ask Figure Fan, Alaric, Yellow Lantern, and even Bearded if they think they owe IPS or YOU for the avatars. If they say IPS, Shiva says for me to give you my favorite cow. If they say YOU, then you give me your favorite cow.
ReplyDeleteYOU do avatars because you want to make a good things happen from someting bad. Even dough you never did anyting bad like fight for IPS only because he was the only one fighting. Nor did you go along with IPS and create an avatar that made fun of the entire argument going on. Nor did you pitch a fit when your best friend was banned and post a thread asking "How Does One Go About Getting Banned From This Place?!"
Well, I won't continue to debate this since it is likely futile, but I will correct some inaccuracies in these fellows' posts. The DCUG has NOT gone away. I've been working on it ever since, but I happen to have a life. It will probably be released some time this summer. I had really grand plans for expansions, but as often happens those fell through (for the moment at least). So, the DCUG, polished a bit more, and with a bit more content will eventually be released. Also, no-one is going to welcome IPS back. He was banned, and Vlad's returns were always under different names that were eventually banned. AA is a better man than me to forgive IPS, but forgiveness does not mean acceptance, as he indicated. Let's at least try to be accurate in our mudslinging, hmm?
ReplyDeleteAlso, I was speaking of more concrete terms of damage when I said I was the only one who might have been hurt. If you're talking about hurt feelings...well...sorry, but there were a lot of hurt feelings in that whole debacle. Instead of dwelling on them, we could do something productive. That's what I've tried to do.
I has a weeney. It's HUGE!
ReplyDeleteYa'll fucking crazy.
ReplyDeleteYes. FR Pushtu control is trying to reach beyond FR, to make people shut up dee talking. Just please do not use Tomato Logic dat says: Go be a jerk and it will inspire someone to make an avatar. Use Gonja Logic and you will be seeing dat you judge people by who dey be associating with and be calling friend.
ReplyDeleteWhat was it that IPS did that went past forgiving, Benton? AA followed his behaviour all dee way up to his banning and even pitched a fit after he was banned. During dee past several years IPS turned away alot of people from dee FF community and quite possibly prevented some extra contributors from participating all dee while a certain elite Pushtu group is calling him friend. All dat was not unforgivable? Let my Gonja Logic be telling you, it is because he makes skins!
And how is it so dat many people be coming to know that Vlad Putin was back under a different name and yet noting was done. Zapow is quoted as saying dat dis is a big NO-NO. Not berry consistent.
Yes. Some people only visit FR once every mont or two and dose dat be arriving now - like myself who was on a Gonja Spiritual Journey - see a community dat is not like it was a few monts ago. So feelings will continue to be hurt as news spreads unfortunately. Der is a new forum but it is even worse. Der are even less people der den der was at FU. Yes.
I don't understand what you're possibly trying to gain here, except to piss people off. IPS did some stupid stuff, but like AA, I'd welcome him back with open arms if he was repentant of the harm he'd done and asked forgiveness, and I support the DCUG. But IPS has nothing, repeat, nothing to do with AA AT ALL. They're different people. If IPS pushed people away, so be it. But do you think you're doing anything better right now?
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Thank you so much Lee Grem for leading me up to the best point I would be making so far. Thank you for showing that, like AA, you and others are willing to have IPS back, if he says I'm sorry, just so he would do something horrible again. And just who would we get to blame if that happens?
ReplyDeleteAlso, you don't understand what I am gaining here except to piss people off? Well, I didn't see you nor any other elite Pushtu at FR saying that exact same thing to AA when he was insulting the community as a whole with his behavior. And all I've done is express my opinion here and in a humorous way some would agree. So, thank you again for showing everyone that if you make skins your bad behavior is ignored, but if you don't make skins, then you are pissing people off.
Yah, I dont have any probs with AA either.
ReplyDelete'Kay, he backed IPS when he was in bully boy-mode against the rest of the forum because he thought they were part of some elite skinning club together; he doesn't listen to criticism; he complains that the FF community demands too much from him; he is kind of a jerk; and he has a whiny blog.
And yeah, his hate/love affair with IPS is goofy.
"I don't see the point of holding malice in my heart towards IPS". Too bad, 'cause IPS certainly had a heartful of malice for the people he attempted LEGAL action against.
Just jokes. AA is an alright dude.
This post should really be renamed "Talk Shit About AfghanAnt".
ReplyDeleteGuys, please have all the fun you want at my expense. This is like winning a Razzie and actually accepting it. A proud moment indeed.
ips pulled out his big gun to shoot down FR.
ReplyDeletetoo bad it was only a water pistol.
of course, wet hens squawk.
like a rug, Afghan is getting walked on.
Actually, no, a much more accurate name should be "The Double Standard at FR - Enter AfghanAnt". But, of course AA thinks it's ONLY about him. How embarrassing. A Hindu pothead is destroying all of your arguements and being quite funny at the same time, so why don't you all just shut up now, that is unless you want to keep us laughing. It's obvious most of the community is still pissed. You have lesser activity at FR and far fewer people at FFC than there was at FU - all proof that people are listening to the truth. But there's a select few that want this to hurry up and go away so that IPS can come back under a different name-just like Vlad. Most likely he's already back and the elite know this.
ReplyDeleteI don't see where the double standard comes in and Hairy Hindu, who has been nothing short of offensive in his portrayal of a Hindu (would he be nearly as comical if his name was Nappy Negro?), has not destroyed anything in my argument because I was never arguing.
ReplyDeleteThis whole argument is based on something that did not even happen. Did Freedom Reborn get shut down? No. Did Bent stop working on his mod? No. Did IPS physically hurt anyone? No.
So what is the point of wasting this much energy on insults and rehashing other than showing off your e-balls (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=E-%20Balls)?
So double your testicular size and have your fun if this is what you need to do to feel better about the situation because I find this all rather childish.
Offensive? To whom? Are you a Hindu? I think not so don't speak for others. I am however, so I am allowed to make fun of myself, but not others - another double standard. Actually who should be offended are Ants. Ants are a very sociable, community-focused species. Something AfghanAnt is not with his attacks on the community during the IPS War.
ReplyDeleteOf course you don't see the double-standard, you are part of it. And, yes you are arguing which is why you keep coming here. If you find this childish and see no point in this, then why do you keep coming here and posting? You're obviously just trying to offset the damage that has been done to you.
This argument is based on something that didn't happen? You are not paying attention. You mean you never participated in the IPS War causing more damage than should have been done, followed IPS in creating avatars that spit in the face of the community during the argument, and then created a thread that had to be locked right after IPS was banned? Not to mention telling others you have a right to tell people what content they can release and what threads they can start.
Let me ask you this: Could you forgive me (not that I'm looking for you forgiveness, as I've done nothing wrong, I'm just trying to help you see the double standard) just as you forgive IPS? What I'm saying is causing far less harm than IPS ever did. I'm only voicing opinions (something you fought for IPS to do intially), whereas IPS tried to destroy his friends and the community they're a part of. It's very easy to say you forgive someone when they aren't around. Also when you forgive someone, you are showing faith that that person wouldn't do something horrible again. I don't know many who think IPS wouldn't do it again and therefore doesn't deserve forgiveness. I can forgive people who make unintentional mistakes, but not those that did things deliberately without a care of the consequences or who got hurt. Forgiving those kinds of people just says to them "go ahead and do it again, you'll be forgiven."
And by the way AA was not a rug. He didn't just lay there and watch things happen. He actively participated in the IPS War. That's a very poor analogy.
From your extremely long post I can see you have some serious feelings about this situation and honestly I don't blame you.
ReplyDeleteHowever, you have no right to judge me for forgiving someone. My feelings, thoughts, or decisions have nothing to do with Freedom Force, Freedom Reborn, or any of you who claim I have some special rights you lack. Simply put - my feelings are mine and I don't care what you think about them.
With that said I'm done with this conversation, I wish you the best on your pointless discussion.
Go ahead and avoid the forgiveness question however you want AA. Thank you for pointlessly participating in this pointless discussion, that you felt you had to post 5 times in.
ReplyDeleteYes. Yes. Another IP address for SpectreLad to be checking. Yes.
ReplyDeleteit may have been a poor analogy, but it was a pretty good pun, yes? afghan rug, yes?
ReplyDeletei am bearded, i just don't have an account to signature it with.
i don't blame ips at all. i blame everyone who took him seriously. including myself. someone with that level of anger issues needs help. and sympathy. i think he is basically insane. and i know insane. would you blame a mentally handicapped person for drooling on you? no, probably not, but you would most likely avoid them
"Simply put - my feelings are mine and I don't care what you think about them."
ReplyDeleteWhy talk about them in a public forum then dood? Attention seeker. I can see why you and IPS got along so well. Pure soap opera.
Anon: Because he was being egged on my guys such as yourself? Because people sometimes like to defend themselves instead of just sitting around and letting fools insult them?
ReplyDeleteHH: My desire to forgive IPS has nothing to do with his content creation at all. I firmly believe forgiveness should be offered whenever sincerely requested. If you can't see that you did any harm, you don't see why you'd need forgiveness, and any request for it would be hollow and pointless. You haven't released any content, but if you were to stop insulting AA and apologize for blaming him for someone else's flaws, I would forgive you as well.
It would appear that IPS has no remorse for his actions, and neither do you. Therefore, forgiveness on anyone's part would be pointless. It means nothing without the drive to undo the pain one has caused.
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Blaming him for someone else's flaws? AA is being blamed for his own flaws. Read! AA copied IPS's behavior all the way up to his being banned. That is what he's being blamed for. If you took the time to read and understand, you'd see that. AA is NOT not guilty. Why should people have remorse for telling the truth. If you don't want to listen then just drop it.
ReplyDeleteYes. Forgiveness is already being explained by me. How can you trust someone like IPS when they say they are being sincerely requesting it? It is being sounding like you are berry gullible or just being wanting more IPS skins and keyframes. Yes. And please don't talk dumb talk and say everyone deserves second chance. AA and IPS had many chances to turn their behavior around and did not do it.
ReplyDeleteI see berry rudeness on FR to person coming back to FR after long time away (probably on glorious Gonja Spiritual Journey) asking for requests. I thought IPS was back when I saw rudeness. Then I saw the name Tomato. Is IPS being dead and reincarnated as a tomato? Yes? Elite Pushtu rudeness continues at FR.
And please no dumb talk about he posted the same thing two times. Let admin just delete number 2 post and inform him on PM nicely. Or be nice and tell him yourself. No need for elite Pushtu rudeness. No. No.
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ReplyDeleteNow that everyone knows who HH and I are via BentonGrey, I just have to say thanks Tomato for proving our point. I heard about the stupid post by Tomato to a newcomer. But I guess you should expect a stupid 19 year old punk to prove the other side's point. The elitism continues at FR. What a shame. Now that IPS is gone, the elites want to emulate his behavior, and continue to destroy FR. Not only did it turn the guy you were rude too off, but others that come and see that will be turned off as well. Let the Admins handle it, ignore the thread, or just at least try to be nice about it. But some people just don't give a damn about insulting others as long as they look like a smart ass for their elite friends. What's even more shameful is that his ugly post wouldn't have been deleted if HH didn't speak up. Fortunately HH did come along and speak up and now the post is deleted. His speaking up helped clean up FR. He is who should be praised, not smart ass tomatoes. It's the reason why I left and the reason I'll never be back.
ReplyDeleteAnd AA was going along with IPS the whole time up to and PAST IPS's ban. Remember the thread that had to be locked? Only until he got screwed over by IPS does he try to start an acting career of victim to get people to feel sorry for him. Funny how the only ones that actually do feel sorry for him are the elites and the people trying to play both sides. FR is a joke.
i did not get the memo on that, but i'm curious.
ReplyDeletewho is HH and GG via BG?
i didn't get the memo on who HH and GG are via BG, but i'm curious.
ReplyDeleteActually, I haven't told anyone, except a friend of yours who was worried about you. I think that your viewpoint is skewed, and that I hope we can understand one another better in the future.
ReplyDeleteI'm screwed here no matter what happens. If I go on a long diatribe to defend AA from your character attacks I'm accused of beating a dead horse, being a hypocrite, and being an elitist. If I abandon this pointless discussion it'll seem like the idiotic elitists at FR can't stand against the overwhelming might of the trolls.
ReplyDeleteCreate a separate arena for discussion if you want to avoid the elitism at FR, but start banning people for being jerks and see if that doesn't seem even more elitist. See how well that does.
I'm freaking done here. Enjoy wallowing in your pitifully self-righteous fury.
I love this guilty by association crap, so by the logic shown here because I myself showed support for some of ips's arguments even though i did at the time and still do thing he went tits over arse about the way he argued, i should be on the list of enemies’ of FR.
ReplyDeletethat is the biggest load, i'll get something out of the way first, as people who provide out of our own interest content for this great game be it skins,meshes,fx, mods etc. do want a level of control over content, but the content we make and nothing else. I could give a rats ass how tomato, AA or anyone else releases they're work, but they should have final say on it. I can't force they're opinion on it and vice versa. I really don’t get how anyone can say an artist is being egotistical for wanting to control the distribution of they’re own work, that is moronic
Now if artists work overlap like they do on a mod, then it's up to both artists to come up with a level playing field where both are happy, if that can not be reached then both should walk away. this is what happened with BG's mod, but most didn't see this as it was done behind close doors like it should be.
but of course not everyone seen that so wild insults get thrown about without the whole facts being known, people moan and complain about the elitist aspect of FR well get used to it, it happened when we all joined and were new, you learn the ropes and what is acceptable and what is not, just because you're new you shouldn't expect people to be super nice and bend over backwards without showing you have a solid interest in the community rather than just showing up grabbing what you can and running like hell